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เค้าบอกว่าให้ใช้ถุงNeoprene/nylon mesh (ที่เค้าว่ากันน้ำกันกระสุนได้) ปั้มน้ำเข้าไปเพิ่อทำเป็นฝายชั่วคราว หรือจะทำในถ้ำก็ได้ วิธีนี้สามารถรับแรงดันมหาศาล อุดรอยรั่วหลายจุดได้เร็ว ทำให้สามารถปั๊มน้ำออกได้เร็วค่ะ
ข้างล่างเป็นข้อความทั้งหมดที่ก๊อปมาจากyoutube:
"It would seem that their biggest problem is the water that continues to enter the cave system.
In Construction jobs I have supervised, pumping water out needs to happen so that the pumps take out more water than is going in. To get ahead of the problem if I were there, I would inflate air bags that can be quickly made to size and close off the entrance where the water is flowing into the cave system. Closing the area off to new sources of water that would normally enter the cave system will allow the entire system to be pumped out. The boys could then be extracted out of the cave without having to do any diving at all. Blocking off the egress to new water sources is the safest, quickest and easiest method to save them.
We have held back the power of the ocean using similar methods and most importantly is that we have held back much larger volumes of sea water to build permanent walls to hold back the water. Tunneling and drilling and trying to bring these inexperienced kids out will fail tragically.
A swimming pool can be emptied, bridge footings of enormous size are pumped out and construction is done out in OPEN waters. How hard could it be to block off the flow of slow moving water.
Air bag technologies are available in ANY SIZE and could be on site in less than 48 hours.
This is the solution. I only wish I could talk to them in person and get accurate dimensions of the cave and a measure of hydrological volume entering vs. pumping needed to empty the cave system completely.
I know it can be done.
Good luck to them all.
Sometimes the easiest solutions are staring you in the face but nobody sees it. "
"Good questions : first , I realize that the water is coming in from the roof as well as the sides. BUT, the rate of entry can be controlled by the rate of pumping. Presently they are pumping 1.6 million liters per hour and only dropping the level a 1/4”
Over 24 hours.
Okay, take that pumping rate and by blocking the waters egress you are only going to have to deal with @3% of the Waters total that is coming in from above and the perimeter.
That means that even if your blocking only 80% of the water coming in your going to be able to pump out the rest easily. The pumping is way ahead of the flow.
As far as the air bags ability to conform to the rocks edges, these are not your run of the mill air bags made like big bike tires? These are basically bulletproof neoprene/nylon mesh bags. They can be filled with air? With foam? But the way to do it is to pump water into them. They are heavy and stay in place and will press against any surface with complete closure.
It’s an amazingly easy way of blocking the entry of water. Also they can inflate these bags in a matter of hours. They have the ability to hold hundreds of thousand of tons of water pressure.
I have used these bags with air , water and foam.
It all depends on the job. For this job, water filling the bags will do the job I guarantee you that. I would trust my life and theirs with this technology.
I only hope and pray someone from the crew reads these posts.
It is the answer to this difficult problem using a very simple and proven technique. I did this type of thing for 25 yrs in my construction business.
I’m retired now, but this method works and has even improved more in the last 10 yrs.
Lets all say a prayer that someone else opens their eyes and checks it out. "
"The bags will work best filled with water. The weight of the bags will keep them in place. I would actually fill the bags with water that is in the cave so they can save time which is a commodity at this point.
The bags are placed at the ENTRANCE to the cave where the most water is entering the cave system.
They can expand to any size and are on a roll of ANY length. The bags DO NOT NEED TO BE BROUGHT DOWN INTO THE CAVE SYSTEM. They are going to be a dam that will stop any new sources of water from entering the cave system. As the major areas are voided of the water that is causing the problem the rescuers can move towards the boys quickly. Smaller pump hoses can be dropped down into the areas that are not being pumped out by the larger ones at the entrance. This technology works and can hold back hundreds of thousands of tons of water.
Just think about it, fill the bags with the Very hoses that are pumping out water now. The bags will fill with the caves water and essentially save a huge amount of time.
I wish I was there with my old crew and the equipment, we could have that cave pumped out in a matter of hours not days.
These young boys are too weak and inexperienced to attempt diving and swimming out. The small areas of the cave you mentioned are NO PLACE for a child to panic and block off the pathway for the others. If an experienced Navy Seal died doing his job, what chance do these boys have. I pray for them and I pray that the many places I have posted my solution to, will find their way to the rescuers. Help is only a phone call away.
God bless them all.
Thanks for any help you can offer.
EPK"
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เค้าบอกว่าให้ใช้ถุงNeoprene/nylon mesh (ที่เค้าว่ากันน้ำกันกระสุนได้) ปั้มน้ำเข้าไปเพิ่อทำเป็นฝายชั่วคราว หรือจะทำในถ้ำก็ได้ วิธีนี้สามารถรับแรงดันมหาศาล อุดรอยรั่วหลายจุดได้เร็ว ทำให้สามารถปั๊มน้ำออกได้เร็วค่ะ
ข้างล่างเป็นข้อความทั้งหมดที่ก๊อปมาจากyoutube:
"It would seem that their biggest problem is the water that continues to enter the cave system.
In Construction jobs I have supervised, pumping water out needs to happen so that the pumps take out more water than is going in. To get ahead of the problem if I were there, I would inflate air bags that can be quickly made to size and close off the entrance where the water is flowing into the cave system. Closing the area off to new sources of water that would normally enter the cave system will allow the entire system to be pumped out. The boys could then be extracted out of the cave without having to do any diving at all. Blocking off the egress to new water sources is the safest, quickest and easiest method to save them.
We have held back the power of the ocean using similar methods and most importantly is that we have held back much larger volumes of sea water to build permanent walls to hold back the water. Tunneling and drilling and trying to bring these inexperienced kids out will fail tragically.
A swimming pool can be emptied, bridge footings of enormous size are pumped out and construction is done out in OPEN waters. How hard could it be to block off the flow of slow moving water.
Air bag technologies are available in ANY SIZE and could be on site in less than 48 hours.
This is the solution. I only wish I could talk to them in person and get accurate dimensions of the cave and a measure of hydrological volume entering vs. pumping needed to empty the cave system completely.
I know it can be done.
Good luck to them all.
Sometimes the easiest solutions are staring you in the face but nobody sees it. "
"Good questions : first , I realize that the water is coming in from the roof as well as the sides. BUT, the rate of entry can be controlled by the rate of pumping. Presently they are pumping 1.6 million liters per hour and only dropping the level a 1/4”
Over 24 hours.
Okay, take that pumping rate and by blocking the waters egress you are only going to have to deal with @3% of the Waters total that is coming in from above and the perimeter.
That means that even if your blocking only 80% of the water coming in your going to be able to pump out the rest easily. The pumping is way ahead of the flow.
As far as the air bags ability to conform to the rocks edges, these are not your run of the mill air bags made like big bike tires? These are basically bulletproof neoprene/nylon mesh bags. They can be filled with air? With foam? But the way to do it is to pump water into them. They are heavy and stay in place and will press against any surface with complete closure.
It’s an amazingly easy way of blocking the entry of water. Also they can inflate these bags in a matter of hours. They have the ability to hold hundreds of thousand of tons of water pressure.
I have used these bags with air , water and foam.
It all depends on the job. For this job, water filling the bags will do the job I guarantee you that. I would trust my life and theirs with this technology.
I only hope and pray someone from the crew reads these posts.
It is the answer to this difficult problem using a very simple and proven technique. I did this type of thing for 25 yrs in my construction business.
I’m retired now, but this method works and has even improved more in the last 10 yrs.
Lets all say a prayer that someone else opens their eyes and checks it out. "
"The bags will work best filled with water. The weight of the bags will keep them in place. I would actually fill the bags with water that is in the cave so they can save time which is a commodity at this point.
The bags are placed at the ENTRANCE to the cave where the most water is entering the cave system.
They can expand to any size and are on a roll of ANY length. The bags DO NOT NEED TO BE BROUGHT DOWN INTO THE CAVE SYSTEM. They are going to be a dam that will stop any new sources of water from entering the cave system. As the major areas are voided of the water that is causing the problem the rescuers can move towards the boys quickly. Smaller pump hoses can be dropped down into the areas that are not being pumped out by the larger ones at the entrance. This technology works and can hold back hundreds of thousands of tons of water.
Just think about it, fill the bags with the Very hoses that are pumping out water now. The bags will fill with the caves water and essentially save a huge amount of time.
I wish I was there with my old crew and the equipment, we could have that cave pumped out in a matter of hours not days.
These young boys are too weak and inexperienced to attempt diving and swimming out. The small areas of the cave you mentioned are NO PLACE for a child to panic and block off the pathway for the others. If an experienced Navy Seal died doing his job, what chance do these boys have. I pray for them and I pray that the many places I have posted my solution to, will find their way to the rescuers. Help is only a phone call away.
God bless them all.
Thanks for any help you can offer.
EPK"
รบกวนเพื่อนๆในพันทิปช่วยวิจารณ์และเผยแพร่ไอเดียนี้ด้วยนะคะ ส่วนตัวแล้วคิดว่าเป็นไอเดียที่ดีมาก